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on the debt. >>> all the numbers indicate that going off the fiscal cliff would hurt the u.s. economy in the short term. but could it be the best thing in the long run? going off that fiscal cliff. to this point most of the conversation has been focused on what happens in january, and for good reason. there's no deal in congress. tax rates go up for a lot of folks, all americans. and a $1.2 trillion worth of defense and spending cuts will be automatically enacted. excuse me, that fiscal cough i told you about. the alternative minimum tax kicks in and put it all together and the results are pretty. the economy would contract by half a percent in 2013. unemployment would raise to 9.1% and the economy would experience what cbo said would be judged as a recession. but after that, then things start to look pretty good. the cbo says after next year by the agency's estimates economic growth will pick up. the labor market will strengthen returning output to its potential level. 5.5% by 2018. essentially if no deal is struck, the federal government would be forced to do what it's refused to do
for digging into this stuff. we've got the debate about the fiscal cliff and the debt ceiling and we're talking in the trillions. before you can even get to the trillions, if you can't stop stuff like this, does the american public ever believe that washington is going to get its act together if you can't stop this 100,000 here, million there, all, of course, adds up to billions. if we can't stop the zombies, taxpayers paying for the zombies, how can we ever tackle medicare and social security? [laughter] megyn: that's the thing that makes people upset, julie. all right, if you're going to increase my taxes to help pay down the debt, help people in need, that's one thing, but if i'm going to be paying for zombies or for santa to ride the $250,000 sleigh, i object. >> i'm a little embarrassed. can you imagine being an employee and having to pretended to be a zombie? >> those were actors. >> i don't know about that. [laughter] i think they may have been dhs employees dressed up. charles is right, thanksgiving a little ri -- this is a little ridiculous. i understand what they're trying
us from going off the fiscal cliff. they said by the way we need to raise the debt limit and this new proposal of eliminating congress from the process of raising the debt limit. >> senator mcconnell has offered to have an up or down vote on this and democrats haven't taken him up on it. all of the spending reductions that simon cited in the 1990s were tied to the debt limit increase. it gives republicans leverage. president obama has the leverage in the fiscal cliff fight. he's willing to let the tax go up on the middle class. on the debt increase he doesn't have the same leverage. bob woodward pointed out that tim geithner said to president obama if the republicans stick to their guns on the debt limit bill you cannot reto it. the consequences will be so clam to us that you cannot veto it. so obama would have capitulated. megyn: that's what simon is saying now. that we shouldn't put the country in that position. >> the only way we'll get action on this debt. we keep spending and spending and raising our debt by $6 trillion every obama term. that's what catastrophic. the republicans
full-fledged fiscal cliff. >> chris cizilla, what about bringing up the debt ceiling as they did in this opening bid for the white house. they say that this has to be part of any agreement. the president does not want to face this couple of weeks down the road in january. >> and understandably so, andrea, but i -- i guess you never say never, and so let's put it there. i can't imagine that republicans would give on this -- this is something that has always been done by congress. push back and say something always done by congress and until the last few years was never controversial in the least and looks like it will be controversial certainly the next debt limit in late february, early march. i can't imagine, it seems like a bridge too far. it seems like you put it out there, and use it knowing you're not going to get it, use it as one of the concessions you're willing to give to get to a deal. i'm with chuck. i still remain somewhat optimistic, but i do think there is -- you can make a political argument that going over the fiscal cliff, may be in democrats' best political inte
the national debt and avoid the fiscal cliff. that's coming up in just a little bit. >>> we also can't leave seattle without taking note of another huge milestone in washington state. voters legalized same-sex marriage last month too so today here's the picture. midnight on the dot clerks handed out marriage licenses and those were the first two in line. they met on a blind date back in 1977 and they never thought that they would live to legally wed amongst all of these other people who showed up for their legal licenses in seattle. by the way, the ceremony of those elderly ladies like many others will take place this sunday. ♪ [ male announcer ] shift the balance of power decisively in your favor. the exclusive eight-speed transmission and rotary shifter in the new 2013 ram 1500. engineered to move heaven and earth. guts. glory. ram. yeah we both relieve coughs, sneezing, aches, fevers. and i relieve nasal congestion. overachiever. [ female announcer ] tylenol® cold multi-symptom nighttime relieves nasal congestion. nyquil® cold and flu doesn't. [ female announcer ] holiday cookies are
's fiscal cliff offer spurned by republicans. obama takes hard line on debt. which might be news to some people in the parenthetical. tony is a political correspondent and mark hannah is a former aide to the john kerry and barack obama presidential campaigns. some of the media tries to short form the story and comes up with a headline that can be barbed easily. this is suggested by a cable anchor who suggested the media has been arrogant since barack obama won in covering him and in covering in particular this fiscal cliff. tony, your thoughts. >> it could only be an msnbc anchor to take this long to figure out. there have been some media, the financial times which endorsed the president has called the president's bluff on this plan. they say this is the same proposal he put in front of congress that received zero votes a year ago, not even one democratic vote. but what the media has been doing is buying into this story line that president obama has some sort of mandate to do whatever he wants and that is truly false. obviously he has been given more time, but not to ram through an agend
% now and therefore avoid the fiscal cliff and put off for now the top 2%. and the question then, let the debt ceiling not take effect. a tax cut delayed i argue is a tax cut avoided. joining me with the republican defense highly tauted fan of the eagles, ed rendell and alex wagner of msnbc's "now." governor, i want you to read what's going on here. first speaker boehner defended the gop's tax proposal saying it does take a bite out of the rich but president obama held firm to tax rate hike on the wealthiest. let's listen to the back and forth. >> revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates, which we believe will harm our economy. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%, that includes all of you, yes. but not in any way that's going to affect your spending, your lifestyles, or the economy in any significant way. let's make sure that 98% of americans don't see it -- a single dime in tax
. here we go with the fiscal cliff and the debt and now they vote down the disabilities act right in front of bob dole in a real wheelchair. we're just like wow. >> absolutely. if anyone wants to make a music video using this song as the background alluding to all of that stuff you're talking about you know, i'm not going to say no. >> stephanie: there you go. >> i can't speak for viacom's lawyers. >> stephanie: no. >> but i'm not going to say no. >> stephanie: here's a fun fact. co-wrote ten of the album songs. who is so handsome and rowic and talented. >> thank you. >> don't be a jerk dates from 2009. the joe wilson thing was happening. it just seemed like rudeness and you know, the lack of manners and civil discourses breaking down. you know, my cowriter, andy and i came up with this phrase, how about a song don't be a jerk, it's christmas. it wasn't jerk as you know, stephanie. it begins with a d and ends with a k and ends with flick but -- >> stephanie: yes. >> three years later it is a whole spongebo
-term debt crisis, the so-called fiscal cliff, and i hope that we will, the debt in the years to come will increasingly dominate the budget. it will pressure defense and a in a serious way. so without addressing the long-term tenure solution as the animal outline, the defense budget is going to be under increasing pressure. that is inevitable and the interest rates have not even started going up, which is also inevitable at some point. the third one a month make is that the problems within the internal defense budget and the dynamics of this budget also make the problem more difficult and more complicated. it also requires a longer term to address some of these calls. first of all, the rising health care costs, and retirement costs and fuel inefficiency. each of those has their own complexities, but all are important. so the budget is going to have to be addressed, even if the topline is the one that is a rational topline. in other words, we have entitlements within the defense budget now which are comparable to the entitlements and all the snow we have to deal with outside the defens
. president obama's first offer fiscal cliff, higher taxes, new spending and power over the debt spending. and offered by tim geithner who had tax problems in the past and today president obama is it at a toy factory campaigning for new taxes on the rich. and joining us is julia. >> hi. stuart: how are you. >> i'm great. stuart: i can't believe that you, as a regular american, want to do this to america, do you? >> i think it's because-- i don't think that this is exactly what what's going to happen. stuart: you don't think that the president will actually do this. >> no, no, i think the president has learned to negotiate. what the president would do, he would start with sort of half a loaf and negotiate and give the republicans about 75% of what they wanted. i think he's finally understood if you want to actually get to at least halfway, you have to start at extremes and meet halfway. republicans have done this all along. stuart: you agree with me, if this plan, anything like it from the president, were imposed on the economy at this time it would lead to recession. >> i think that the p
, protect american jobs, and protect the middle class from the fiscal cliff. but without spending cuts and entitlement reforms, it's going to be impossible to address our country's debt crisis. and get our economy going again and to create jobs. so right now, all eyes are on the white house. the country doesn't need a victory lap. it needs leadership. it's time for the president, congressional democrats, to tell the american people what spending cuts they're really willing to make. with that i'll take a few questions. >> speaker boehner, why will you not tell democrats what specific spending cuts you would like to see, especially within en titlements? >> it's been very clear over the last year-and-a-half, i've talked to the president about many of them. you can can look at our budget. where we outline very specific proposals that we passed in last year's budget and the budget from the year before. we know what the menu is. what we don't know is what the white house is willing to do to get serious about solving our debt crisis. >> so your 2011 position still stands then? are you still o
moneywatch time now on a thursday. stocks get a boost from fiscal cliff talks and starbucks spills the beans on expensive coffee. ashley morrison is here in new york with more. >> reporter: asian markets got a lift on optimism from debt talks in washington. tokyo's nikkei rose 1% while the hong kong hang seng gained 1%. wall street got a boost from the fiscal cliff talks. dow added 106 points after being down triple digits earlier in the day. nasdaq gained 23 points. the u.s. economy is growing at a steady pace according to the latest report from the federal reserve. the so-called beige book survey shows a pickup in consumer spending and home sales in october and early november. economic growth improved in nine of the 12 federal reserve districts but superstorm sandy hampered growth in the northeast. could the dollar bill be going the way of the doo-doo. a congressional panel is once again calling for the u.s. to stop printing singles and switch entirely to dollar coins. the nonpartisan panel believes it could save taxpayers money. it's more expensive to produce coins but they last about six
to change to not santa but to the white house. >> jamie: maybe santa will help with the fiscal cliff. >> eric: man, does santa need to help with this one. no proposal, have you heard about this? it deals with the debt limit. the president wants to take congress' power away over that to do it himself. republicans say what? some on wall street, though apparently support it. we'll fill you in. >> jamie: also, the freight train that carried dangerous chemicals and derailed it, literally jumped the tracks. investigators are out there today. they say they may know what contributed to the crash. it really affected residents trying to cope. >> we have the workers coming in. we are asking them questions like what is going on, how is it going, what are we supposed to do? it seems no one knows anything. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] everyone deserves the gift of all day pain relief. this season, discover aleve. all day pain relief with just two pills. >> jamie: stories making headlines this hour, taliban homicide bomber attacking a joint u.s. and afghan base in afghanistan. five afghan seasonals k
, protect american jobs and protect the middle class from the fiscal cliff. but without spending cuts and entitlement reform, it will be impossible to address the debt crisis and get our economy going again and create jobs. so right now all eyes are on the white house. the country doesn't need a victory lap. it needs leadership. time for the president, congressional democrats to tell the american people what spending cuts they're really willing to make. with that i'll take a few questions. >> doctor would you not tell democrats what specific spending cuts you would like to see? >> it's been clear over the last year and a half i've talked to the president about many of them. you can look at our budget where we drought line very specific proposals that we passed in last year's budget and the budget in the year before. we know what the menu is. what we don't know is what the white house is willing to do to get serious about solving our debt crisis. >> so your 2011 position still stands then? are you still offering those talks from 2011, is that still a debate is this? i'm not going to ge
on how to avoid the fiscal cliff. the president plans to deliver remarks and answer questions during a meeting of a business roundtable. critics say the president will call on business leaders to press lawmakers about raising the debt ceiling. while that is happening we expect to hear from house speaker john boehner any moment right now on the hill for the latest on what's happening on fiscal matters. martha? martha: meanwhile, there are new evacuations that have been ordered in a community where a train carrying toxic chemicals derailed nearly a week ago. 100 families told they have to leave their homes in new jersey near philadelphia. they have to play it safe until the last of the hazard does gas is removed. >> what we'll do we'll pump liquid in that dissolves the vinyl chloride. we'll pump that liquid back out into the highway truck. we have a derailment of hazardous of materials over and in a waterway and a community adjacent to it, right next to it. martha: the rail line is paying for hotel rooms and other expenses for 200 people not able to go home. the families as you can ima
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-called fiscal cliff. the president has set a goal. $4 trillion in debt reduction over the next decade. are there any specific ways of reaching that figure that both of you might agree on? >> well, you know, one compromise i can agree with democrats on, we need to cut military spending. so i think the compromise is conservatives like myself who think national defense is very important should compromise on military spending and liberals should compromise on entitlements and social welfare spending, that compromise should get to spending cuts. >> here is the question, though. both sides are going to have to compromise, beyond defense spending, any other compromise you could see you supporting? >> mostly has to be to me on the spending side. we used to spend about 20% of gdp. now spending 25% of gdp. federal spending has gone up at an alarming rate in the last four years. people come to me and said say we have to raise taxes on rich people. one there, is not enough money. two, when you raise rates, you get less revenue. sometimes you find when you lower rates, you get more revenue. >> wha
people are watching is if they blow up fiscal cliff, if we go over, if this is chaos, if they punt, if it's a small deal, it's going to be a sign that we're not going to get the deficit reduction that we need. >> and that's the challenge for the president. because, yes, he does have all the leverage. we talked about that. he won the election of course. but this is a test of leadership, and the american public does not want to go over that cliff because, by the way, they want the tax cut for the middle class to remain in place. that's the ultimate cliff there and the bottom line is we don't want those to expire. gwen: as we approach it we begin to try to read the tea leaves. he brings the c.e.o.'s to the white house and they had the goldman sachsco guy saying i'm pretty optimistic we'll come up with a deal. and others think we'll good over the cliff. what do we read into that? >> there's a rule that denny has earth enunciated and people are outraged. it's a majority institution. the speaker is not going to put something on the floor that doesn't get a majority of the majority. if john byne
on a bipartisan basis from congress. the president has an obligation to steer us away from the fiscal cliff and to tackle our $16 trillion debt that is driven by runaway entitlement programs. we have seen an utter lack of leadership from president obama and his allies on the left have shown very little to no willingness to tackle real structural entitlement reform. there is no manner of tax hike that can save medicare or medicaid. these programs can only be fixed with real reforms. some on the left say tinkering around the edges of medicare and medicaid would be enough, or that the health law is in touch and a perform. they argue we do not need to examine the structural problems. make no mistake about it then been shoring up medicare and medicaid will not be easy. the situation has become so severe, it is the only responsible course to take them back in just over a decade medicare will be bankrupt. medicare beneficiaries receive $3 in benefits for every $1 they pay into the system. that is while 10,000 more americans join this program every day. the number of workers supporting it has decli
for the middle class. >>heather: thank you. >>gregg: from the fiscal cliff to will i don'ting the debt ceiling speaker boehner disagreeing with president obama under the white house proposal. the president would have the power to raise the debt limit on his own, whenever he wants, as needed. speaker boehner saying congress isn't budging on that issue and here is what he had to say on fox news sunday. >> congress will never give up the power and i made it clear to the president that when we get to the debt limit we need to cut some reforms that are greater than the increase in the debt limit. it is the only way to leverage the political process to produce more change than if left alone. >>gregg: you can see more of the remarks on "fox news sunday" at the top of the hour. >> extreme weather on the west coast flood advisories in effect for storm ravaged parts of northern california as another storm bringing heavy rain and police and fire officials wanting the napa and russian rivers expected to break their banks. and now, streaming live from northern california. >>reporter: yes, the banks are abo
on encouraging news from washington on the "fiscal cliff" issue. ashley morrison of cbsmoneywatch.com joins us. good morning, ashley. >> reporter: good morning, to you, frank and michelle. asian markets got a lift this morning on growing optimism from debt talks in washington. tokyo's nikkei rose 1% while hong kong's hang seng also gained about 1%. the improvingometer mitchell on the "fiscal cliff" gave wall street a boost, as well. the dow added 106 points after being down triple digits earlier in the day. while the nasdaq was up 23. >> could the dollar bill be going out of style? a congressional panel is once again calling for the u.s. to stop printing singles and switch entire to dollar coins. the nonpartisan panel believes the switch could save taxpayers money. it is more expensive to produce the coins but they last about 6 types longer than the paper bills. i don't know. it's going to make my bag heavier for sure. >> that's what i was thinking. my purse is already heavy. >> got four bucks? let me see it here. >> ashley, from time to time frank will go and make a starbucks run for us but i
. this is a product of what our negotiations were last year from the debt ceiling. how did we get to the fiscal cliff, it's not only the tax increase from the affordable care act that started january 1st, it happened in the last lame duck punted into this one and the last summer budget negotiation punted into this one. we'll get real cuts equal to what we're doing in debt ceiling increase and if we want to resolve that the best time is right now because we have another debt ceiling increase coming. >> you've told "the new york times" you think your party is boxed in. i want to read from "washington times" "republican leaders struggled tuesday to contain the backlash from conservatives of the gop's offer of $800 billion in tax increases to head off the fiscal cliff, a move that didn't impress the white house even as it spawned a rebellion on the right." so are republicans going to have to give on raising rates? >> no. we're not, because where the president is focused in on is the affordable care act taxes they increase january the 1st on people making $200,000 or more. the president wants a rate incre
with the fiscal cliff that obama designed? this is obama's fiscal cliff. if the republicans cave, we'll have a fiscal cliff in about three or four years that's going to be the grand canyon. we're going to go collapsing. it's going to be awful. >> sean: i agree with you. >> we got to fight like william wallace in "brave heart." fight for america. we can win it in the next 30 days. >> sean: i'm with you. leslie, seriously, why can't we have some significant spending cuts now? the president, first of all, said he only wanted $800 billion when he was running, now he's doubled it, but there's no cuts. government can't find waste, fraud, abuse, cut back on their intoxication and power grab with spending? >> i agree that medicare is one program that has a lot of fraud. quite frankly the president has been very clear that they're going to be -- >> sean: when? when? >> democrats and republicans will have to suck it up. when you guys call caving in, i call compromise. >> sean: republicans compromise, cave, and -- >> we're not violating the tax pledge if we let something expire at the end of the year.
. and provides a 6-point explanation to back it up. is the economy headed for that fiscal cliff? is all of this negotiating dead in the water? let's bring in our panel. monica crowley, radio talk show host and author of monomemo.com. jewelry roginsky former political advisor to senator frank lautenberg of new jersey. both fox news contributors. you say the president is not interested in compromise at all? >> no. i have just wrote a whole book about this called, what the bleep just happened. i traced first four years of his presidency. anytime he proposed a economic proposal or physical proposal it contained the exact same elements, which is tax hikes, more spending, not less, no entitlement reform and pushing up the debt limit as far and as fast as possible. this should come as no big surprise here. it is not a big mystery who this guy is. a pure leftist ideologue who will not compromise. jon: julie, he ran a platform saying let's raise the two top tax rates in this country. if he did that would raise $850 billion in revenue. he is asking for a trillion six. he is asking for twice what
will not play that game. >> tonight, democratic whip steny hoyer gives me the latest fiscal cliff developments and the democratic line on medicare. tom perriello from the center of american progress action fund on how democrats can deal with republicans who can't deal with reality. rubio and ryan reload with a new message for the middle class. >> both parties tend to divide americans into our voters and their voters. >> but there is no escaping their own policies. >> we're going to a majority of takers versus makers in america. >> dnc chair debbie wasserman schultz responds tonight. plus, senator barbara boxer on her new plan for national polling place standards. and a new poll shows half of all republicans think the defunct group a.c.o.r.n. stole the election from president obama. >> that's an eye opener. >> i wonder where they ever got that idea? >> you just have to wait and see what happens. >>> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. here is are the latest. republicans are at a stalemate with the white house for debt negotiations. republicans really only have two opti
pelosi says congress should address the fiscal cliff in two stages. first lawmaker shoes agree to spending cuts and an infrastructure package along with passing the middle class tax cut. she says tax and entitlement reform would then come in the next year. mean while christine lagarde says she's hopeful an agreement can be found. >> are you confident that they will reach an agreement? >> i have to come to talk about the fiscal cliff? practicing matti >> we all have fiscal cliff fatigue. >> yeah, i think it's totally understandable, but it still hasn't been dealt with as we've just seen. we think there will be a fiscal slide. we have kind of three scenarios in find. a full fiscal cliff, a bunny slope or something in the middle, a fiscal slide. and i think that's where we're headed. we believe it will be in the neighborhood of 1.5% of gdp in fiscal adjustment and i think that's obviously better than the full lack of 4.5. and it's better than -- worse than something that wouldn't make too much difference. 1.5 will make an important difference still. >> and what's in that 1.5% in t
are. i am disappointed in what's happened over the last couple of weeks. but going over the fiscal cliff is , i am trying to resolve it. >> democrats want republicans to slow down and realize what they are offering is not new. it's the sail debt pl-- same de plan president obama had in the american jobs act. it's not a new stimulus it is something that has been on the table for over a year. >> something should a political price be paid in order for congress to do its job to make sure the united states of america pays its bills and does not default for the first time in history is deeply irresponsible. it was deeply irresponsible in the summer of 2011 and would be deeply irresponsible if we were to see that kind of approach taken again. >> oo there were whispers there was a deal coming together. the white house says they are ready to compromise but republicans need to ask the wealthiest americans to pay higher tax rates. >> the fiscal cliff deal, charles krauthammer is talking about it. he calls it quote insulting. >> it's not just a bad deal. what geithner offers on the street robe
would be to actually fall off the fiscal cliff. that would necessarily make the difficult choices that congress and white house seem unwilling to make. tom schatz says that congress has a very typical way they approach these kinds of spending cuts. here he is again. >> with overlap and duplication is the proclivity in washington to create a program to solve a problem. something's wrong. we're not doing it right. we're falling behind in science and math. let's create five new programs. that has been the approach. >> reporter: as we speak treasury secretary tim geithner is meeting behind closed doors with the white house point man on congressional affairs with senate majority leader harry reid. perhaps we'll learn more about what kind of spending cuts the democrats are proposing after that meeting is done. jenna, back to you. jenna: we'll talk a little more about that now, doug. thank you very much. jon: yeah. let's go behind the scenes of the talks to avoid the fiscal cliff. it seems the framework for a deal actually might be taking shape. if so, what will it look like? david druck
to raise the nation's borrowing limit would have to be matched by spending cuts in the fiscal cliff deal. >> as i told the president a couple weeks ago, there's a lot of things i've wanted in my life, but almost all of them had a price tag attached to them. i continue to believe that any increase in the debt limit has to be accompanied by spending reductions that meet or exceed it. >> asking that a political price be paid in order for congress to do its job to ensure that the united states of america pays its bills and does not default for the first time in its history is deeply irresponsible. it was deeply irresponsible in the summer of 2011, and it would be deeply irresponsible if we were to see that kind of approach taken again. >> with boehner calling on the white house to lay out specific spending cuts, senate majority leader harry reid offered his own response to the house speaker. >> he says that democrats have got to get serious about cuts, spending cuts. where's the disconnect, then? >> i don't understand his brain, so you should ask him. okay? >> huh. don't understand his brain
be the republicans biggest weapon in the fiscal cliff debate and democrats are trying to remove it permanently. this week, treasury secretary timothy geithner took a proposal to gop leaders that significantly restrict congress' authority over the debt limit. house speaker john boehner pushing back maintaining a debt ceiling increase would need to be matched by spending cuts. >> if we're going to talk about the debt limit in this, then, there's going to be some price tag associated with it. i continue to believe that any increase in the debt limit has to be aacademied by spending reductions that meet or exceed it. >> joining me now, political anchor "new york one news" and co-editor of "scandals, tragedies and trumps triumphs." senior ederter for politics and news at yahoo! news. she has become a weekend pal. thanks for being back with us, both of you. let's start with the debt limit, we're talking about the debt limit, again. do republicans believe this is their ace in the hole? >> i sure hope they don't. i think the president has the stronger hand on this. number one, he won the election. we'
guest, fran dresher, on say anything! >> eliot: hidden among all this talk of the fiscal cliff-austerity bomb being covered in horrendous and tedious detail by every cable station is a potentially more dangerous accounting deadline. the debt ceiling. and yes this is deja vu all over again. but i have a solution for president obama this time around. mr. president, turn the tables on him speaker boehner that is. we all recall the trap that the white house fell into last year, letting negotiations over the potential government shutdown be concluded only to be held hostage again when the republicans then refused to raise the debt ceiling without getting additional concessions. it was, as congressman welch said it was professional malpractice not to wrap the debt ceiling into the first round of negotiations. so don't do it again. the debt ceiling will necessarily and inevitably be hit and breached early next year. yet when president obama told speaker boehner at their november 16th meeting to raise the ceiling by year's end boehner said there is a price for everything. no, there doe
to strike a deal before the end of the year on reducing the national debt to avoid that fiscal cliff. republican aid describe the tentative white house proposal this way. $1.6 trillion in revenue presented by secretary treasury secretary timothy geithner and stimulus and $400 billion in medicare and other entitlement savings. a permanent increase in the debt limit. >> so, let's get more on the standoff right now. joining us senator bernie sanders of vermont. he caucuses with the democrats. senator, first of all, congratulations on your re-election. thanks for coming in. republicans say, you know what, they'll be flexible, but the democrats have to be flexible, too, especially when it comes to entitlement spending. medicare, medicaid and even reform. are you open to any of that? >> when republicans talk about being flexible, we have not heard one definitive word to what they mean. second of all, our republican friends look up and understand that this issue of the fiscal cliff was debated during the election and, you know what, mitt romney lost. obama won. the american people are very
to find common ground. solving the fiscal cliff in a manner that addresses the true drivers of our debt and saves american jobs will be a great way for the president to start his second term. for the country and my colleagues, we're ready to work with the president to achieve those goals. >> mr. speaker, a couple things. first, on the issue of tax rate, are you willing to accept no deal that includes some increase in those top tax rates? i'm also wondering what are final deadline on this is? how much longer can this back and forth go? when do we have to have a deal -- >> increasing tax rates draws money away from our economy that needs to be invested in our economy to put the american people back to work. it's the wrong approach. we're willing to put revenues on the table. revenues that come from closing loopholes, getting rid of special interest deductions, and not raising rates. we think it's better for the economy. pure and simple. secondly, the american people expect us to find common ground, to work together and to resolve this. frankly, sooner is better than later. >> you've been
to this debt crisis, the so-called fiscal cliff, could bring about the sequestration that is the slicing of the military right in half. that would be a disaster in many respects. across the world people would see we can't handle our own country well, our own defense well. people across the world would see us failing to fulfill the duty of the constitution to provide for the national defense that's up to congress to do that. but after we get this done -- and let's hope that it does come to pass -- a second challenge is out there, and that's the challenge to glue together a strategy that will keep this country safe and secure. back in the 1947 era george key man sent what's known as the long telegram from moscow to the white house spelling out the rise of the soviet union and its intentions. president truman, my fellow missourian, and his staff glued together the containment strategy which stayed in effect through admiral -- excuse me, through general eisenhower's presidency and later until, as you know, the wall in berlin came tumbling down, and the soviet union imploded on itself. the st
characterized this fight over the fiscal cliff but alan simpson managed to do it with a video promoting had is campaign to fix the debt. >> stop instagramming your breakfast and tweeting your problems and getting on youtube so you can see gangnam style. ♪ and start using those precious social media skills to go out and sign people up on this baby, three people a week, let it grow, and don't forget take part or get taken apart. by these old ones will clean out the treasury before you get there. ♪ >> [ inaudible ]. >> the lasso again and then the horseback. horse horse. the cowboys ride. >> it made my day. i had to share it with you. chris cizilla an msnbc contributor and managing editor of post politics.com and susan page, washington bureau chief for "usa today." hello. alan simpson never fails. >> i was instagraming, andrea. i was busy instagraming. >> chris, maybe this do broke through. put him on the road, have him go door to door. >> my favorite part of the video which i have watched approximately 1,000 times is when he says at the end, so another lasso then. >> and he is a man who k
. the six highest in the country. we have people worrying about the fiscal cliff which is worth worrying about. some of these states have gotten a massive problems. these three among them. unemployment is new york is over 8%. twenty-fourth highest and 16%, 16 percent live below the poverty line. the 22nd highest telling you how much trouble some of these states are in. all three of the states, by the way, have democratic governors and democratic lead and controlled legislature's. to you suppose that is a coincidence? republicans and democrats sparring over how to avoid a fiscal cliff. potential disaster that they created. >> and a clear majority of americans. not just democrats, but also a lot of republicans and a lot of independence agreed we should have a balanced approach. >> we all know that we have had this been in crisis coming at us like a freight train. it has to be dealt with. lou: 33 days to go. can the president and congress fix the mess they have created? the "a-team" joins us. washington is struggling with the fiscal cliff or at least say they are. teamsters president says n
is the federal government spending under control. we continue to get closer to this incredible fiscal cliff and i think that the president should take a case study analysis and look at what president coolidge did and jfk, john f. kennedy when they went in and lowered tax rates and increased revenues, which is exactly what we're talking about. >> so either you've got a president who is tremendously overconfident after being reelected or someone who asks for the sty in the first offer knowing that he will look like the compromising once he gives in on the demands and gets himself involved in negotiations. >> both sides are waiting to see who is going to offer up the plan first, we're waiting on the white house. >> it's the president's job, isn't it? congress controls the purse strings and the white house is waiting for-- we're waiting for something from congress on their side and go back and forth, who puts up the offer first and it's the first salvo, so, michigan mcconnell laughs at it and timothy geithner hands it to them. this isn't real. >> i didn't know that first was the first offer. we have
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